Marriott Releases New Program Award Pricing for Hotels in Several Cities

In the new Marriott loyalty program they’ve largely taken the better Starwood elite program and the better Marriott earn and burn proposition — however Starwood members won’t see exactly what they’ve come to expect on the Marriott side and and Marriott members have seemed likely to experience some devaluation of points.

Marriott’s CEO says they’re making the program less expensive for hotels. That’s created a pretty strong starting point to assume that earning and redeeming points couldn’t offer quite as good a value as before.

Starwood hotels already received more compensation for free nights than Marriott properties did. Marriott’s David Flueck told me that Marriott properties would eventually be moving to the Starwood availability model where if there’s a standard room available members can redeem points. That will be more expensive.

And under the new program we’re going to see fewer redemption categories, many of which with higher prices. Here’s what we get August 1.

And next year we get a more expensive category 8 — plus off peak and peak dates meaning that award nights can go up to a price off 100,000 per night.

The devil of course is in the details of which hotels are assigned to each category. And just as Marriott hasn’t released the new program terms and conditions, they haven’t released full category assignments yet either.

However they’ve released a sample and they tell me,

You’ll be pleased to see that our move to one, combined Award Chart offers even more value for your points, with more hotels moving down in redemption rates than up. This will also hold true as we place all hotels in our new Award Chart.


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Marriott has released which hotels are assigned to each category for New York, Paris, Dubai, Bali and for the Caribbean and Mexico.

Bali Current Points Required New Award Chart Points Required Points Difference New Award Chart Category*
Courtyard Bali Seminyak Resort 25,000 17,500 -7,500 3
Fairfield by Marriott Bali Legian 20,000 17,500 -2,500 3
Four Points by Sheraton Bali, Kuta 12,000 17,500 5,500 3
Four Points by Sheraton Bali, Seminyak 12,000 17,500 5,500 3
Courtyard Bali Nusa Dua Resort 30,000 25,000 -5,000 4
Le Méridien Bali Jimbaran 30,000 25,000 -5,000 4
Renaissance Bali Uluwatu Resort & Spa 30,000 25,000 -5,000 4
Sthala, a Tribute Portfolio Hotel, Ubud Bali 30,000 25,000 -5,000 4
The Stones Hotel – Legian Bali, Autograph Collection 30,000 25,000 -5,000 4
Sheraton Bali Kuta Resort 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
The Westin Resort Nusa Dua, Bali 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
The Laguna, na Luxury Collection Resort & Spa, 36,000 50,000 14,000 6
Nusa Dua, Bali
The Ritz-Carlton, Bali 40,000 50,000 10,000 6
W Bali – Seminyak 90,000 60,000 -30,000 7
The St. Regis Bali Resort 90,000 60,000 (Effective August) -30,000 8
n85,000 (Coming 2019) n-5,000
Caribbean & Mexico Current Points Required New Award Chart Points Required Points Difference New Award Chart Category*
JW Marriott Hotel Santo Domingo 30,000 25,000 -5,000 4
The Westin Resort & Spa, Puerto Vallarta 21,000 25,000 4,000 4
Hacienda Puerta Campeche, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Campeche 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Hacienda Santa Rosa, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Santa Rosa 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Hacienda Temozon, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Temozon Sur 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
JW Marriott Hotel Mexico City 35,000 35,000 0 5
La Concha Renaissance San Juan Resort 40,000 35,000 -5,000 5
Marriott Cancun Resort 40,000 35,000 -5,000 5
Marriott Puerto Vallarta Resort & Spa 35,000 35,000 0 5
San Juan Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino 40,000 35,000 -5,000 5
Sheraton Grand Los Cabos Hacienda del Mar 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
The Westin Cozumel 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
The Westin Puntacana Resort & Club 30,000 35,000 5,000 5
The Westin Resort & Spa, Cancun 21,000 35,000 14,000 5
W Mexico City 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Hacienda Uayamon, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Uayamon 60,000 50,000 -10,000 6
JW Marriott Cancun Resort & Spa 45,000 50,000 5,000 6
The Ritz-Carlton, Cancun 50,000 50,000 0 6
The St. Regis Mexico City 60,000 50,000 -10,000 6
The Ritz-Carlton, Aruba 60,000 60,000 0 7
The Westin Grand Cayman Seven Mile Beach 36,000 60,000 24,000 7
Resort & Spa
W Punta de Mita 60,000 60,000 0 7
Dubai Current Points Required New Award Chart Points Required Points Difference New Award Chart Category*
Dubai Marriott Harbour Hotel & Suites 40,000 35,000 -5,000 5
Four Points by Sheraton Sheikh Zayed Road, Dubai 30,000 35,000 5,000 5
Grosvenor House, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Dubai 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
JW Marriott Marquis Hotel Dubai 35,000 35,000 0 5
La Ville Hotel & Suites CITY WALK, Dubai, Autograph Collection 35,000 35,000 0 5
Lapita, Dubai Parks and Resorts, Autograph Collection 35,000 35,000 0 5
Le Méridien Dubai Hotel & Conference Centre 30,000 35,000 5,000 5
Renaissance Downtown Hotel, Dubai 35,000 35,000 0 5
Sheraton Dubai Creek Hotel & Towers 30,000 35,000 5,000 5
Sheraton Jumeirah Beach Resort 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Sheraton Mall of the Emirates Hotel, Dubai 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Le Méridien Mina Seyahi Beach Resort & Marina 36,000 50,000 14,000 6
Le Royal Méridien Beach Resort & Spa 36,000 50,000 14,000 6
The Ritz-Carlton, Dubai 70,000 60,000 -10,000 7
The Westin Dubai Mina Seyahi Beach Resort & Marina 60,000 60,000 0 7
New York Current Points Required New Award Chart Points Required Points Difference New Award Chart Category*
Courtyard New York Manhattan/Central Park 40,000 35,000 -5,000 5
Element New York Times Square West 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Four Points by Sheraton Manhattan Midtown West 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Residence Inn New York Manhattan/Central Park 40,000 35,000 -5,000 5
New York Marriott East Side 45,000 50,000 5,000 6
New York Marriott Marquis 45,000 50,000 5,000 6
Renaissance New York Times Square Hotel 45,000 50,000 5,000 6
Sheraton New York Times Square Hotel 36,000 50,000 14,000 6
The Algonquin Hotel Times Square, Autograph Collection 45,000 50,000 5,000 6
The Westin New York at Times Square 60,000 50,000 -10,000 6
The Westin New York Grand Central 60,000 50,000 -10,000 6
Gramercy Park Hotel, New York, a Member of Design Hotels™ 60,000 60,000 0 7
Hotel Americano, New York, a Member of Design Hotels™ 60,000 60,000 0 7
The New York EDITION 60,000 60,000 0 7
W New York – Times Square 60,000 60,000 0 7
W New York – Union Square 60,000 60,000 0 7
11 Howard, New York, a Member of Design Hotels™ 90,000 60,000 (Effective August) -30,000 8
n85,000 (Coming 2019) n-5,000
The Chatwal, a Luxury Collection Hotel, New York City 90,000 60,000 (Effective August) -30,000 8
n85,000 (Coming 2019) n-5,000
The St. Regis New York 90,000 60,000 (Effective August) -30,000 8
n85,000 (Coming 2019) n-5,000
Paris Current Points Required New Award Chart Points Required Points Difference New Award Chart Category*
Le Dokhan’s, a Tribute Portfolio Hotel, Paris 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Le Méridien Etoile 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Paris Marriott Rive Gauche Hotel & Conference Center 35,000 35,000 0 5
Renaissance Paris Republique Hotel 40,000 35,000 -5,000 5
Sheraton Paris Airport Hotel & Conference Centre 36,000 35,000 -1,000 5
Le Metropolitan, a Tribute Portfolio Hotel, Paris 36,000 50,000 14,000 6
Paris Marriott Opera Ambassador Hotel 40,000 50,000 10,000 6
Renaissance Paris Arc de Triomphe Hotel 45,000 50,000 5,000 6
Renaissance Paris Le Parc Trocadero Hotel 40,000 50,000 10,000 6
Renaissance Paris Vendome Hotel 45,000 50,000 5,000 6
Hotel Bel Ami, Paris, a Member of Design Hotels™ 60,000 60,000 0 7
Hotel de NELL, Paris, a Member of Design Hotels™ 60,000 60,000 0 7
Hotel Vernet, Paris, a Member of Design Hotels™ 60,000 60,000 0 7
La Maison Champs Elysées, Paris, a Member of Design Hotels™ 60,000 60,000 0 7
Le Roch Hotel and Spa, Paris, a Member of Design Hotels™ 60,000 60,000 0 7
Les Bains, Paris, a Member of Design Hotels™ 60,000 60,000 0 7
Paris Marriott Champs Elysees Hotel 45,000 60,000 15,000 7
The Westin Paris – Vendôme 60,000 60,000 0 7
W Paris – Opéra 60,000 60,000 0 7
Prince de Galles, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Paris 90,000 60,000 (Effective August) -30,000 8
n85,000 (Coming 2019) n-5,000

David Flueck had told me to expect legacy Marriott properties in New York to get more expensive. And some do. Perhaps they really will move in a big way with the introduction of a new higher award category next year and peak date pricing. However the changes here aren’t bad, and indeed the nicest Starwood hotels will require fewer points as I wrote the day the new program was announced.

I don’t like peak and off peak pricing. The great value is in using a fixed number of points for a hotel when room rates skyrocket. Flexing points prices when rooms are expensive reduces the value you can receive at the top end. Sure off peak prices are nice, but when room rates are low you’re better off using cash and saving points for outsized value.

I’m still expecting that overall existing Marriott points balances will be worth less, that there will be a devaluation on the earn and burn side for Marriott members, but Starwood members should be earning more points and should be able to redeem at the same or lower prices under the new program. And it’s the Starwood hotels that in many cases are the special ones where I want to use my points.

So far we have only a sketch of what some of the hotels will cost, and only for the first 5 months of the new program. I wish we had more, but it’s a start and they promise that more hotels moving down than up in redemption price will “hold true as we place all hotels in” the new chart. That’s encouraging.

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  1. Thanks for the scoop Gary!

    Odd that the Sheraton and the Westin are in the same category in NYC.

  2. Honestly I don’t think the vast majority of your readers have aspirations for Bali or a Dubai – they want to know the new prices for London, NYC, and resorts. The NYC and Paris charts are helpful but MR selective picking of the others doesn’t give me any comfort. Mexico is so cheap that there is rarely reason to use points there. I’m not holding my breath for Hawaii, SF & LA.
    On the plus side it looks like SPG properties won’t be devalued until 2019, so we have more time to book at the current rates.

  3. 11 Howard and Gramercy Park are mixed up. 11 Howard stays at 60,000 and the Gramercy Park goes from 90,000 to 60,000

  4. Or the JW Marriott in Los Cabos. Seems strange to make this release then leave several hotels off the list in several of the cities.

  5. The St. Regis Bali was one of the all suite properties with the outrages points prices…..so according to this they won’t do an up charge for those type of properties?

  6. I have aspirations to book st regis bora bora the second half of this year.

    Are we thinking they will not put St. Regis Bora Bora in the award chart as they left off all suite property in UAE Al Maha?

  7. Gary, one of the biggest fears on the SPG side is that we will see capacity controls on Awards. SPG awards are much easier to use than Marriott Rewards.

    Has Marriott said anything on this subject?

  8. This is far from good. Only hotels at either extremes went down in price a bit. They definitely devalued hotels where the majority of members redeemed for points in these markets.

    Definitely can be worse, but this is far from good.

  9. Well, those are the point prices for 6ish months, from August until 2019, then Marriott devalues again by introducing “peak” prices. No thanks.

  10. We have two SPG properties booked for later this year that I’m now particularly curious about: The St. Regis Bali (late July – beginning of Aug) and Westin Grand Cayman (stay in Dec, booked before SPG raised rates, so 48K for 5 nights). How will the St. Regis handle a booking that splits between the old and new system? What about the Westin? I’d sure hope we get the rate we booked (even if x3 for the SPG to Marriott conversion). The new rate is a huge jump!

    Any insights?

  11. I think your first chart is misleading. For example, it shows a category 5 as a 40% increase, but really, the category numbers are irrelevant. What matters is the point levels, as you use in the subsequent hotel lists. Really, cats 4 and 6 have gone away, cats 5 & 7 and now 4 & 5, and the others will fall around there somewhere.

    The hotel lists, though limited, are a useful indication of this.

    And I’ll agree that – for now – the numbers don’t seem too bad.

  12. None of this really matters without info on capacity controls which is the most disturbing and heinous devaluation trend of all.

  13. Interesting that the two Tribute hotels in Paris, previously in the same SPG category, are going in different directions. I stayed at Le Dokhan’s; it’s going down (very slightly). The sister property 2 blocks away, Le Metropolitan, which I toured and had dinner at, is going up a lot. They were same number of points previously, and it made sense to me at the time, despite their different personalities.

  14. What about London? Or Rome! Or Hong Kong and Singapore! Then there are the Caribbean islands.

    Look at the hotels in Europe. Most of the “good” ones are category 6, 7 or 8 in the new chart. Sure, there are some that are category 5 but everyone will now redeem points at those properties and by 2020 they will be category 6 or 7.

    Marriott can sugar coat this all they want but the hotels that folks really want to reedem points for are almost all more expensive.

  15. @Norita
    Unless peak / off peak is fixed based on time of year, which was my understanding. If its tied to capacity and then the price automatically goes up once reached , no matter what time of year, its even more relevant.

  16. Capacity controls are terrible for disabled travelers who need accessible rooms as they are usually unavailable with points in such systems since there are only a few to begin with, thereby effectively making points useless for them. . Hope MR takes this into account. Otherwise, I’m out of their program as I will never be able to book a room. Right now, if an accessible room is available, I can book it with points. They should ensure that does not change.

  17. Important – do you know if the new category 5 hotels will be able to be booked using the 7 night 1-5 cert from the travel package? There are now, for example, a number of category 5 hotels in Paris when there were few before.

  18. Similar question to @EstelleGregory – can the category 1-5 certificates issued as anniversary “presents” for having the Chase Marriott card now be used for these NY hotels?

  19. I am sure that it is just coincidence that they have released rates for 13/16 SPG hotels in New York and 6/48 Marriotts, right? And 13/14 SPG in Paris and 7/18 Marriott?
    It doesn’t look too bad because they cherry picked which hotels to tell us about. We already knew that the badly overpriced SPG hotels were going to be going down in price, at least temporarily.

  20. @Kevin

    The St Regis Bali does not represent a true Cat 7+ SPG property since its suites were always priced at standard Cat 7 levels. The true outliers will continue to be…outliers. Perhaps its better to think of them as non participating properties that can be booked on Marriott/SPG points. That is essentially what they are.

    @TheJetsFan

    Yours seems like a special case and it ideally should be treated as such by the chains. Its difficult for chains to account for edge cases while making major decisions but they absolutely can and should make exceptions for you. I’d say if you haven’t reached out to PR or some other VP level person in the hotel chains you stay with or with senior management in the hotels directly, you should get on that. I honestly cannot imagine that hotels would decline to book you into an accessible room at standard room redemption rates. This seems like the easiest and most logical manual over-ride for them. Speak to Reservations/Revenue/Front Office Managers in properties and you will have unlocked yourself a near permanent solution

  21. @Boraxo
    I was also hoping there would be sampling of Hawaii and cities in the West Coast, such as Waikiki and San Francisco where there are Marriott and Starwood hotels within walking distance from each other.

  22. While I like others like seeing some of the cat 7 SPG properties come down in price, I worry about capacity controls now…Marriott seems to play games w/inventory.

    BTW is VFTW officially a DCS-free zone now? If so, best thing ever – nice to be free of #fakenews here.

  23. Unless I had a million points hard to imagine me wanting to use 60,000 SPG points for one night in a hotel when you can get 70,000 points in a transfer to an airline program and use them toward a much more valuable premium airline flight.

  24. @David – 60k would get you three nights not one. Don’t confuse pre and post 8/1 conversions.

  25. Luckily, I just reserved Westin Grand Cayman for 5 nights, fifth free, for 48K SPG points, or 144K MR, for mid December. Going forward it seems it’ll be 60K/night or 240K MR for the 5 nights.

  26. I haven’t seen if they are continuing the bonus for transferring 20,000 pts to an airline and getting 25,000 credit. Did I miss it or is it a topic not being covered?

  27. UA-NYC Oh, that’s right. Thanks! That makes it make more sense, although my goal in collecting points is almost always to try for premium international flights.

  28. It is a good deal esp. when you can transfer to AA and redeem on CX and others for cheaper rates vs. via BA and much higher miles + taxes.

  29. They certainly put their best foot forward with this partial list and selected some very positive examples.
    I know Bali pretty well and the hotels that have gone down in price, have gone from stupendously overpriced to just overpriced.
    You can still easily find similar or better properties on Bali by paying cash for independent properties or other chains and saving your points for a better-value opportunity.

  30. My local Fairfield inn just went from a cat 1 to a cat 2 in march. Is there any chance when the new chart comes out thet move it back to a cat 1?

  31. Bump:

    Re capacity controls, any more details? Specifically, any info on whether peak pricing means access to last room availability like SPG? Am guessing no news is bad news. This is the linchpin for my decision as to whether convert SPG-AX spending to cash back card for all non-bonused spending.

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